>>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO "AMANPOUR & CO. "

HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

THE SEARCH FOR SURVIVORS IN NEPAL BECOMES MORE DESPERATE BY THE HOUR AS DAYS AFTER A DEVASTATING FLASH FLOOD, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE STILL MISSING.

WE'LL HEAR FROM FAMILIES LOOKING FOR LOVED ONES AND FROM THE UNITED NATIONS AND WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN ABOUT AID EFFORTS IN THE FLOOD ZONE.

> >> THEN -- >> IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO WALK BECAUSE THE WALL OF FIRE WOULD HAVE ENGULFED US.

SO WE CRAWLED ON OUR KNEES.

>> AS RUSSIA HITS UKRAINE WITH ITS DEADLIEST STRIKE THIS YEAR, A NEW EXHIBITION IS CHRONICLING THE EVERYDAY HEROISM OF UKRAINIANS IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE, FROM SOLDIERS THROUGH TO CHILDREN.

PHOTOGRAPHER MARK NEVILLE AND UKRAINIAN NOVELIST AND GUEST CURATOR ANDREY KURKOV JOIN ME TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

> >> PLUS -- >> I NEVER THOUGHT IN AGES I WOULD LEAVE MY COUNTRY LIKE THAT.

IN A FEW HOURS TO LEAVE EVERYTHING BEHIND.

AND I NEVER THOUGHT MY PARENTS WOULD DO THAT.

>> FIVE YEARS AFTER THE U. S. WITHDRAWAL FROM AFGHANISTAN AND THE RETURN OF THE TALIBAN TO POWER, AFGHAN REFUGEE MURSAR RAHEEM SPEAKS TO HARI SREENIVASAN ABOUT HOW THE U. S. INVASION SHAPED HER LIFE, AND WHY SHE FEELS A DUTY TO THE WOMEN LEFT BEHIND.

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> >> "AMANPOUR & CO. "

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> >> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M BIANNA GOLODRYGA IN, NO SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

FIVE DAYS AFTER CATASTROPHIC FLASH FLOODS SWEPT ALONG THE NEPAL-CHINA BORDER, THE TRUE EXTENT OF THE DEVASTATION IS ONLY JUST BECOMING CLEAR.

>> Translator: WHAT AM I FEELING?

IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING.

IT'S MY WHOLE WORLD.

WHAT IS LEFT?

IT'S LIKE I'M DEAD.

WHAT IS WORTH LIVING?

WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

WHO KNOWS.

I AM SAVED, BUT HOW THINGS WILL PAN OUT, WHO KNOWS.

THAT'S IT.

>> MORE THAN 4,000 PEOPLE ARE NOW KNOWN TO BE MISSING, DOUBLING ESTIMATES FROM JUST THE WEEKEND.

MOST OF THOSE ARE NEPALESE CITIZENS WITH ROUGHLY 600 FOREIGNERS ALSO UNACCOUNTED FOR.

MORE THAN 900 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED DEAD.

RIGHT NOW A MAJOR PUSH IS UNDER WAY TO REACH HUNDREDS OF WORKERS WHO MAY BE TRAPPED ALIVE IN HYDROPOWER TUNNELS WHICH WERE SUBMERGED IN THICK MUD DURING THE FLOODS.

RESCUERS SAY TIME AND CONDITIONS ARE AGAINST THEM, BUT THAT THEY WILL KEEP GOING.

WE HAVE MORE ON THESE RESCUE EFFORTS.

>> Reporter: IN NEPAL'S MUD-FILLED TUNNELS, DESPERATE RESCUES ARE UNFOLDING, HELICOPTERING LIFTING SURVIVORS TO SAFETY.

SOME TOO WEAK TO WALK.

THESE TUNNELS WERE BUILT TO HARNESS NEPAL'S RIVERS AND FUEL ITS BOOMING HYDROPOWER INDUSTRY, BUT NOW THEY'RE THE FOCUS OF A FRANTIC SEARCH.

MORE THAN 900 ARE STILL MISSING, MANY OF THEM WORKERS TRAPPED INSIDE WHEN THE FLOOD HIT.

>> Translator: ME AND MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WERE WORKING IN THE SAME TUNNEL.

I LOST HIM.

HIS WIFE IS MY SISTER, AND SHE IS PREGNANT.

>> Reporter: AMAR VISTA HELPED RESCUE THESE MEN.

HE AND HIS TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS TREKKED THROUGH DANGEROUS TERRAIN CARRYING MEDICAL SUPPLIES.

AND WITH THE HELP OF THE NEPALI ARMY, THEY FLEW TO THE WORST HIT AREAS, WHERE THEY USED PICKS AND SHOVELS TO FIND SIGNS OF LIFE.

SOMETIMES THEY FOUND THE DEAD INSTEAD.

THE RESCUED MEN WE SPOKE TO SAY THE TUNNELS WERE FILLED WITH BODIES.

THE FLOOD STRIPPED THEM OF EVERYTHING THEY HAD, INCLUDING THEIR CLOTHES.

>> ALL THE CLOTHES, THEY LOST --WHATEVER THEY HAVE.

THEY LOST THEIR PHONES, EVERYTHING THEY LOST, YOU KNOW.

>> Reporter: WHAT ABOUT THESE MEN?

HAVE THEY LOST FAMILY MEMBERS?

>> THEY LOST THEIR NEPHEW.

THEY LOST THEIR UNCLE'S BROTHER, COUSINS.

>> Reporter: EVERYONE'S LOST SOMEONE.

FOUR DAYS IN THE MOUNTAINS HAVE LEFT AMAR HAUNTED BY WHAT HE'S SEEN.

>> LIKE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ARE DEAD AND NO FOOD.

LIKE NOTHING.

SO I DIDN'T HAVE WORD FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FROM MY AREA, YOU KNOW, LIKE I DIDN'T --NOTHING BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE, THEY DON'T KNOW THE REALITY.

WHEN I ENTERED THERE, THE REALITY IS DIFFERENT.

WE CANNOT TELL.

THE REALITY IS WAY DIFFERENT.

>> Reporter: FOR SURVIVORS, NOW COMES THE RECKONING WITH WHAT THEY ENDURED.

AND THE ENORMITY OF WHAT THEY'VE LOST.

>> OUR THANKS TO HANIKO MONTGOMERY.

JUST DEVASTATING.

GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE WORLD NOW HAVE BEEN RUSHING TO SEND RESCUE TEAMS AND HUMANITARIAN AID TO NEPAL, BUT CONDITIONS IN THE FLOOD ZONE ARE MAKING OPERATIONS DIFFICULT.

UNPREDICTABLE WEATHER, FLOODED AND UNSTABLE TERRAIN AND THE COMPLEXITIES OF WORKING IN A MOUNTAINOUS REGION ARE ALL ADDING CHALLENGES FOR THE TEAMS, NOT ONLY IN REACHING THE AREA, BUT ALSO IN GETTING THE AID TO THOSE WHO DESPERATELY NEED IT.

WITH ME NOW ARE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING THROUGH THESE CHALLENGES IN REALTIME, JOHN TORPE IS RESPONSE DIRECTOR AT THE WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN, AND LILA PETERS YAHIA IS THE REGIONAL COORDINATOR FOR NEPAL.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING ME.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING FOLLOWING THIS DEVASTATING DEVELOPMENT.

AND AS WE HEARD THERE FROM HANIKO'S REPORTING, THE REALITY IS JUST BECOMING MORE AND MORE CLEAR OF THE ENORMOUS LOSS OF LIFE.

LILA, LET ME START WITH YOU.

MORE THAN 900 PEOPLE NOW DEAD, UNDER 4,000 ARE MISSING.

THIS REPORT FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS STILL TING 24 HOURS AFTER I READ IT.

THE FORCE OF THE DELUGE WAS SUCH THAT NEARLY A DOZEN BODIES WERE SWEPT HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY AND FOUND IN INDIA.

WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR TEAM SEEING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW?

>> GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR INVITING ME.

MAYBE ALSO LET ME SHARE SOME -- ANOTHER FIGURE.

OVER 11,300 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RESCUED.

THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE NEED HELP, URGENT HELP.

SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON THE GROUND IS UNFORTUNATELY, YES, MORE DEAD PEOPLE, MORE ARE LIKELY CONTINUE TO GROW.

BUT WHAT WE ARE ALSO SEEING IS MORE RESCUE.

AND WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS NOW IS TO CONTINUE, OF COURSE, THE SEARCH AND RESCUE.

BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS TO ACCELERATE TO PROVIDE THE MUCH NEEDED AID TO THOSE PEOPLE.

AND LIKE YOU SAY, THE TERRAIN DIFFICULT.

>> AND JOHN, IT IS STRIKING THAT IT'S AN AID WORKER WHO HAS SEEN THIS DEVASTATION THAT IS SORT OF SAYING LET'S FOCUS ON SOME OF THE POSITIVE HERE, AND THAT IS THE THOUSANDS WHO HAVE BEEN RESCUED.

BUT THEY ARE NOT OUT OF HARM'S WAY.

THEY NEED HELP DESPERATELY, AND THAT'S WHERE ORGANIZATION LIKE YOURS COMES IN.

HOW IS THE WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN RESPONDING TO HELP THOSE WHO THANKFULLY HAVE BEEN RESCUED, BUT HAVE LOST EVERYTHING ELSE?

>> YEAH, AND I CAN -- I CAN SAY IT'S JUST BEEN AMAZING TO WATCH NEPAL RESPOND TO THIS FROM THE SEARCH AND RESCUE.

WE'RE DOWN IN NUWAKOT, AND THEY HAVE AN AIRSTRIP, SEVEN HELICOPTERS.

THEY'RE FLYING HELICOPTERS NONSTOP.

WHEN THEY SAY 11,200 PEOPLE, IT'S JUST AN AMAZING FEAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE TERRAIN THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE LINED UP ON THE FENCE.

AND EVERY TIME A HELICOPTER LANDS, THEY'RE JUST HOPING FOR GOOD NEWS.

THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A LOVED ONE COMING OFF A CHOPPER.

IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO SEE.

WE'VE BEEN ON THE GROUND NOW FOR DAYS.

WE'VE SET UP --SET UP KITCHENS.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL RESTAURANT PARTNERS.

WE ARE WORKING WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES, LOCAL NGOs TO HELP SPEED THIS PROCESS UP.

WE'VE FED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALREADY.

WE'LL FEED THOUSANDS MORE.

IN THE AREA, IN NUWAKOT AND BIDUR, WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF THE EVACUEES ARE BEING TAKEN TO, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF.

BUT WE NEED TO DO MORE.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT --I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE NUMBER.

16 TO 20 BRIDGES HAVE BEEN JUST COMPLETELY DEVASTATED FROM THE -- FROM THE ORIGINATION OF THE FLOODS DOWN TO THE AREA IN BIDUR AND NUWAKOT WHERE WE CAN GET TO.

THERE IS STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHO WERE NOT EVACUATED.

HOW ARE WE HELPING THEM?

WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUSH THESE --WHERE THESE PEOPLE ARE, GET TO THEM -- >> I BELIEVE -- JOHN, YOU STILL WITH US?

>> THE SCOUTS.

DID AN EIGHT-HOUR JOURNEY YESTERDAY -- >> JOHN, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YOUR CONNECTION APPEARS TO BE COMING IN AND OUT.

LILA, LET ME TURN TO YOU.

YOU'RE COORDINATING BEHIND A GOVERNMENT-LED RESPONSE.

I WANT OUR VIEWERS TO HEAR SOME OF THE DESPERATION FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS FLOODING.

>> OKAY, LIKE JOHN TOLD YOU, I THINK WHAT'S IMPRESSIVE IS TO SEE THIS VERY GOVERNMENT TOTALLY IN CONTROL AND COORDINATING AND LEADING THIS OPERATION IS REALLY AMAZING.

THIS IS WHAT I SAW.

I SAW AN EXTREMELY WELL-ORGANIZED DISPATCHING OF SUPPLIES.

SO THE RESCUE TEAM AND I SAW THE THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED 12 CENTERS WHERE ALL THOSE RESCUE PEOPLE ARE BEING RECEIVED.

THEY'RE BEING FED.

THEY'RE BEING REGISTERED.

BUT WHAT'S NEEDED MOST, AND WE NEED TO ACCELERATE REALLY OVER THE NEXT FIVE, SIX DAYS IS WE NEED TO ACCELERATE.

AND THIS IS WHAT UNITED NATION IS DOING, SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT IN THE AREA OF WATER SO UNICEF HAS DEPLOYED TEAMS AND IS WORKING DAY AND NIGHT WITH THE GOVERNMENT TEAMS TO ACCELERATE THAT.

WE NEED TO ALSO ACCELERATE PROVISION OF SHELTER.

AND THIS IS WHAT U. N. IS SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT.

ALL THE LOGISTICS SUPPORT, BUT ALSO DISTRIBUTING AND SUPPORTING FOOD DISTRIBUTION.

WE ARE LOOKING INTO OUR --YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG RISKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IS ANY RISK OF COMMUNICABLE DISEASES DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW THE REMAINS, HUMAN REMAINS, BUT ALSO TO A LOT OF LIVESTOCK WHICH IS DEAD.

SO WE HAVE JOINED ALL THAT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF WORK WHICH NEEDS TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING FAMILY.

WE HAVE NUMBERS OF CHILDREN HAVE BEEN SEPARATED.

SAVE THE CHILDREN AND UNICEF ARE LOOKING HOW TO DO FAMILY REUNIFICATION.

THERE IS ALSO AN URGENT NEED SUPPORTING THE ENTIRE POPULATION.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I WAS ON THE FIELD.

WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOCKED ME THE MOST IS ALMOST THE SADNESS, THE SADNESS ON THE PEOPLE IN THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DESPERATE.

SO THEY NEED SUPPORT, BUT THEY ALSO NEED A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH CARE.

>> OH, OF COURSE.

AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SURVIVE THE INITIAL ONSLAUGHT HERE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

I WANT TO PLAY, LILA, I WANTED TO PLAY EARLIER FOR YOU SOUND FROM A RESIDENT WHO JUST DISCUSSES SOME OF THIS, THE FACT THAT SHE HAS LOST EVERYTHING IN HER LIFE AND IS QUITE HELPLESS RIGHT NOW.

LET'S LISTEN.

>> Translator: WHAT WILL WE DO NOW?

WE ARE LIVING IN THE MUNICIPALITY BUILDING.

WE'RE SLEEPING THERE.

AND WHAT WE WILL DO, WHAT NOT TO DO, WE'RE TOTALLY AT A LOSS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO.

>> BINA, LILA, IS JUST ONE OF THOUSANDS.

AND I'M WONDERING HOW THE U. N. AND YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE ABLE TO CALIBRATE THE AMOUNT OF AID THAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF MISSING CONTINUES TO FLUCTUATE QUITE DRASTICALLY.

AND MY COLLEAGUE, ANDERSON COOPER, WAS SAYING ONE OF THE REASONS EARLIER THIS MORNING FOR THAT NUMBER FLUCTUATION IS THAT SOME PEOPLE WAITED, HOPING PERHAPS THAT THEIR LOVED ONES IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS WOULD BE REUNITED.

AND IT WAS ONLY AFTER DAY THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE THAT THEY FINALLY CAME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ARE LIKELY MISSING AS WELL.

>> YES, I THINK SO.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT HAS MOBILIZED 20,000 PEOPLE, THE POLICE, THE ARMY, THE ARMED FORCES, I MEAN, ENTIRE, ENTIRE COUNTRY IS BEING MOBILIZED TO TRY TO FOCUS ON SEARCH AND RESCUE.

SO THIS GAVE A LOT OF HOPE.

AND OF COURSE YOU WANT THAT.

THAT INITIAL RESPONSE WAS SO IMPORTANT, AND YOU SHOULD NOT --YOU KNOW, IT'S NORMAL THAT YOU HOPE SOMETHING.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD --THE ONLY THING WE HAVE WHEN YOU ARE FACING THIS SITUATION IS HOPE.

AND TODAY I THINK THEY'RE REALIZING MORE AND MORE.

LAST WEEK I WAS THERE ON FRIDAY.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE COMING IN TO TERM, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WILL NOT FIND THEIR LOVED ONES.

SO THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE INCREASINGLY, AND THIS IS WHY MENTAL HEALTH CARE SUPPORT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED, BUT ALSO LIKE THIS PERSON WAS REPORTING, THEY'VE LOST EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW.

WHEN I WAS THERE, I HAD A GROUP OF PEOPLE HOLDING MY HAND AND TELLING ME, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE HELP.

AND I EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT HELP IS ARRIVING, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

THEY NEED TO HAVE FAITH, AND THE HELP WILL REACH.

SO PEOPLE WERE ASKING, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINING ME THEIR LOSS, EVERYTHING.

THEIR LIVELIHOOD, SO THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO STARTED GIVING CASH TRANSFER TO ENABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT PART OF THE 17 MUNICIPALITY.

WE'RE TALK 17 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY WHICH HAVE BEEN AFFECTED.

AND SOME OF THEM WERE STILL HAVE STORE.

SO THE GOVERNMENT HAS REALLY STARTED PROVIDING ALSO CASH TRANSFER TO ENABLE THOSE PEOPLE TO GO AND BUY THINGS THAT THEY NEED.

SO TODAY WHAT'S MOST URGENT, AS I WAS SAYING IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE MORE --VIDING INFORMATION ON HYGIENE, BUILDING SANITATION WHICH IS MISSING, PROVIDING SHELTER, AND ALSO, MY COLLEAGUES ARE ALSO REALLY WORKING, WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT, DOING ASSESSMENT.

THEN AFTER YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE ALL THAT TO DELIVER.

THE KEY CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS 40 KILOMETERS OF ROAD DESTROYED.

35 BRIDGES GONE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO BRING THE AID.

AND AFTER IS TO BRING TO IT THE EPICENTER IN ALL THOSE 17 MUNICIPALITY WHERE THERE IS NO MORE ACCESS.

THE ONLY ACCESS TODAY IS BY HELICOPTER.

SO THE GOVERNMENT IS WORKING ON OPENING ROADS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, THIS IS THE HIMALAYAS.

THE TERRAIN IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER NEPALESE ARE HIKERS.

>> THEY'RE GREAT HIKERS, BUT IT IS NOT A RESOURCE-RICH COUNTRY.

SO IT IS DESPERATELY IN NEED OF AID FROM THE U. N. AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY THAT IS PROVIDING IT NOW.

JOHN, YOU'VE WORKED IN VARIOUS DISASTER ZONES AROUND THE WORLD.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS IN ACTUALLY GETTING TO THESE LOCATIONS.

DOZENS OF BRIDGES HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT.

STRUCTURALLY, WHAT'S SO DIFFERENT ABOUT TRYING TO GET TO THESE SITES IN THE HIMALAYAS?

IT'S MONSOON SEASON.

YOU'VE GOT A BORDER RUNNING THROUGH THE DISASTER ZONE HERE.

>> YEAH, AND WEATHER PLAYS A BIG ROLE.

YOU KNOW, AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, THERE IS THE BRIDGES ARE OUT.

THESE ARE THE LIFELINES FOR THESE COMMUNITIES.

REALLY, THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE IS WITH HELICOPTERS.

BUT SHE DID MENTION A VERY IMPORTANT THING, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

THERE IS A LOT OF HIKERS HERE.

AND WE'RE STARTING TO REACH OUT TO GUIDES.

WE'RE STARTING TO REACH OUT TO SCOUTS.

WE'RE STARTING TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING THINGS IN IF WE CAN GET THEM TO CERTAIN PLACES.

HOW DO WE START TO TELESCOPE THAT AID.

WE'RE HITTING -- >> YEAH.

UNFORTUNATELY -- >> -- ALONG WITH EACH OTHER.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CONNECTION WITH YOU, JOHN, IS NOT VERY STABLE.

THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE.

I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU BOTH ANY LONGER THAN IS NEED GIVEN ALL OF THE IMPORTANT WORK YOU'RE DOING.

I JUST THINK OF WHAT THAT GUY TOLD MY COLLEAGUE, HANIKO MONTGOMERY WHILE BREAKING DOWN SAYING PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE REALITY OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THAT COMMUNITY.

SO WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YOURS THAT CONTINUES TO PROVIDE RESOURCES, AID TO THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST RIGHT NOW.

JOHN TORPE AND LILA PIETERS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE SHOW.

> >> WE TURN NOW TO UKRAINE WHERE AT LEAST 38 PEOPLE WERE KILLED OVER THE WEEKEND AFTER AN AMMUNITION DEPOT IN THE KYIV REGION WAS STRUCK BY RUSSIAN DRONES, TRIGGERING MULTIPLE BLASTS AND A WALL OF FIRE.

>> Translator: IT IS A HORRIFIC SITUATION AND THERE HAS BEEN APPALLING NEGLIGENCE BY THOSE WHO STORED EXPLOSIVE MATERIEL RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THOSE WERE LIVING.

MY CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO ALL THE FAMILIES AND LOVED ONES.

>> THIS COMES AMID NEARLY DAILY ATTACKS FROM MOSCOW.

AFTER FIVE YEARS OF THIS WAR, THEIR LIVES HAVE DRASTICALLY CHANGED.

KYIV-BASED BRITISH PHOTOGRAPHER MARK NEVILLE HAS BEEN DOCUMENTING IT CLOSELY.

NOW AS PART OF HIS ONGOING PROJECT CALLED POST CODE UKRAINE: DIARY OF A VOLUNTEER, HE IS PUTTING THOSE STORIES FRONT AND CENTER AT HIS FUNDRAISING EXHIBITION IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA.

ALL PROCEEDS WILL GO TO HIS CHARITY WHICH PROVIDES GRANTS TO URGENT LOCAL AID RELIEF ACROSS UKRAINE.

MARK NEVILLE IS JOINING ME NOW WITH AWARD WINNING UKRAINIAN AUTHOR AND A GUEST CURATOR OF THIS EXHIBIT, ANDREY KURKOV.

WELCOME BOTH OF YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS EXHIBIT, MARK.

AND FOR ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE WORK THAT YOU'VE DOCUMENTED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AS WE NOTED, THIS FUNDRAISING EXHIBITION IS THE FIRST MAJOR PRESENTATION OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU'VE DOCUMENTED AND TAKEN SINCE THE LARGER SCALE INVASION BEGAN.

TELL US BRIEFLY WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU NOW TO OPEN THIS EXHIBIT.

>> IT'S EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL.

I'VE BEEN LIVING ALONG WITH ANDREY IN UKRAINE FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS AND DEALING WITH THE IMPACT OF THESE NOW DAILY EXPLOSIONS.

AND IT'S VERY STRANGE, BUT YOUR NERVOUS SYSTEM ACTUALLY BECOMES USED TO IT.

SO IN A WEIRD WAY, I HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OVER PEOPLE IN THE WEST WHO I'M SURE THE WAR IS GOING TO COME TO THE WEST IN A MORE DIRECT WAY, I'M VERY SAD TO SAY, BUT I THINK IT WILL.

AND YOU'LL HAVE TO GET USED TO WAR IN THIS SENSE AS WELL, I THINK, BECAUSE UKRAINIANS ARE DOING.

IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE UKRAINIANS AS PEOPLE AND NOT JUST HEADLINES.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF IN THE WEST ESPECIALLY, WE CAN'T THINK OR FEEL ANYTHING ANYMORE ABOUT UKRAINE BECAUSE WE'RE BOMBARDED WITH AN ONLINE TSUNAMI OF IMAGES.

AND THE WHOLE POINT OF DOING THIS BOOK, "DIARY OF A VOLUNTEER" AND DOING THIS EXHIBITION AT WESTWOOD CONTEMPORARY IS TO TAKE THAT MATERIAL AND THOSE STORIES AND THOSE REAL PEOPLE OFFLINE AND FORGE SOME KIND OF REAL CONNECTION BETWEEN WESTERN AUDIENCE, BREAKTHROUGH COMPASSION FATIGUE.

AND THAT'S ALSO BEEN THE PREMISE OF WORK "POST CODE UKRAINE", THE CHARITY THAT I COFOUNDED.

WE'RE A VERY SMALL TEAM, BUT WE'RE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE.

AND WE NOT ONLY DELIBERATE DIRECTLY OURSELVES AND I DOCUMENT IT AS WE GO, BUT WE ALSO GIVE GRANTS.

WE'RE A CHARITY OF CHARITIES, IF YOU LIKE.

WE GIVE GRANTS TO OTHER CHARITIES, SMALL CHARITIES.

WE SEE DOING INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT WORK, AND THAT RANGES FROM HOUSING FOR IDPs, RESCUING ANIMALS, EVACUATING PEOPLE.

THE NEED IS SO URGENT.

YOU KNOW, I MOVED TO UKRAINE SIX YEARS AGO BECAUSE I LOVED THE COUNTRY.

AND ANYBODY WHO VISITS IT FALLS IN LOVE WITH IT.

AND IT HAS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE WEST, AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT IT.

AND WE ESPECIALLY HAVE TO PROTECT IT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING TO DEFEND WESTERN DEMOCRACY.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

>> IT'S --I THINK THERE IS SO MUCH TO TOUCH ON THERE THAT YOU JUST LAID OUT.

THIS ARGUMENT THAT THIS WAR IS NOT JUST BETWEEN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA, BUT IT IS BETWEEN PUTIN'S RUSSIA AND THE WEST AND THAT HE WON'T STOP AT UKRAINE'S BORDERS.

THAT IS A FEAR THAT NOT ONLY YOU, BUT MANY EXPERTS HAVE HAD FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, ESPECIALLY IF RUSSIA'S BACK IS AGAINST THE WALL THAT MOLDOVA, OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, THE BALTIC COUNTRIES, POLAND, THEY ARE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEM AND FOR THE NATO ALLIANCE.

AND ANDREY, I WANT TO BRING YOU IN ON THIS AS WELL.

WE CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MANY OTHERS IN THE U. S. THAT THIS ISN'T OUR WAR.

THERE IS THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY.

THERE IS A SEA BETWEEN US.

AND OPENING THIS EXHIBIT EVEN FURTHER AWAY IN CALIFORNIA I THINK MAKES THE POINT THAT MARK HAS JUST MADE ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A WAR BETWEEN TWO COUNTRIES, BUT PERHAPS BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT SOCIETIES AND ONE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO STILL UPHOLD HERE IN THE WEST.

WHEN YOU WERE INVITED, ANDREY, AS A CURATOR, WHAT DID THAT MEAN FOR YOU?

WHAT WAS YOUR INITIAL REACTION?

>> WELL, I WAS POSITIVE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BECAUSE I AM READY TO DO ANYTHING TO KEEP UKRAINE IN THE FOCUS OF INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION.

I WRITE EVERY DAY ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

I READ BOOKS WRITTEN BY OTHERS ABOUT UKRAINE, AND I GIVE BLUSHES AND I WRITE PREFACES AND I GO TO THE EVENTS.

AND I JUST BACK FROM EDINBURGH FESTIVAL WHERE ANOTHER BOOK ABOUT UKRAINIAN CULTURE AT WAR BY HIGGINS WAS LAUNCHED, WHICH IS A GREAT BOOK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH UKRAINIAN CULTURE AND RUSSIAN ATTACKS.

>> MARK, LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PHOTOS, BECAUSE YOU REALLY MAKE A CASE FOR AN ETHICAL ROLE HERE IN PHOTOGRAPHY, IN TELLING THE STORY AND CAPTURING THE NARRATIVES AND THE LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THIS BRUTAL WAR.

LET'S BRING UP THIS IMAGE OF THIS 14-YEAR-OLD VOLUNTEER SCHOOLGIRL AND BAKER HOLDING BREAD IN A CARDBOARD BOX.

THAT CAUGHT YOUR EYE.

THIS IS JUST BEFORE SHE WENT BACK TO HELP HER MOTHER PREPARE BREAD FOR LOCAL TERRITORIAL DEFENSE SOLDIERS.

TELL WHAT'S HAPPENED NEXT, MARK.

>> WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I SEE MY ROLE MORE AS KIND OF AN ETHICAL --SEARCHING FOR AN ETHICAL ROLE FOR PHOTOGRAPHY.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH TO JUST REPORT OR BEAR WITNESS, ALTHOUGH THAT'S HIGHLY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THERE IS A RESPONSIBILITY, AN ONUS ON THE PHOTOGRAPHER OR THE ARTIST TO ALSO HELP IN REAL TERMS.

AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND POST CODE UKRAINE.

WE COFOUNDED WITH BILL AND TANYA TO REALLY MESH THE TWO SO THAT NOT ONLY WOULD WE REPORT ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT WE'D ALSO DELIVER AID TO THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST.

NOW WHAT'S SO WONDERFUL ABOUT THIS EXHIBITION THAT'S GOING HAPPEN IS IT'S GUEST CURE RATED BY PEOPLE LIKE THIS INCREDIBLE AUTHOR, ANDREY, WHO WE'RE TALKING TO TODAY, BUT ALSO SIR STEPHEN FRYE, PRINCE HARRY, SHARON STONE, ALYSSA MILANO, BETH GREEN ACRE, THE FORMER CONSULTANT TO DAVID BOWIE, ANOTHER INCREDIBLE UKRAINIAN AUTHOR, THE HUMAN RIGHTS AUTHOR WHO WON A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IN UKRAINE.

THEY'RE ALL SELECTED WORK FROM THE BOOK AND FROM THE EXHIBITION AND WRITTEN ABOUT IT AND TOLD WHAT IT MEANS TO THEM.

SO THAT PARTICULAR IMAGE ACTUALLY ANDREY WROTE A STUNNING PIECE ABOUT THE MEANING OF BREAD AND HOW THE ABSENCE OF BREAD MEANS THE ABSENCE OF PEOPLE.

SO THROUGH THIS STRUCTURE THAT ONE OF OUR TEAM AT POST CODE UKRAINE INITIATED OF INVITING GUEST CURATORS, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE A MORE HUMAN SENSE, A MORE DIRECT SENSE OF WHAT THE WORLD MEANS FOR EVERYONE I KNOW.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALL TRAUMATIZED IN UKRAINE.

I CAN'T PUT IT ANY OTHER WAY.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BE THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND NOT BE TRAUMATIZED BY WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THESE ARE OUR FRIENDS, OUR COLLEAGUES DYING.

THESE ARE OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN THERE IS AN EXPLOSION, IT'S NOT JUST A LITTLE PUFF OF SMOKE IN THE BACKGROUND.

THE WHOLE HOUSE SHAKES AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER EXPLOSION 20 MINUTES LATER.

IT'S BA-BOOM, LIKE THAT.

IT REALLY AFFECTS ONE'S NERVOUS SYSTEM AFTER A WEEK LET ALONE FIVE YEARS.

>> I'D LIKE TO GET MORE OF THESE PHOTOS UP THAT OUR VIEWERS CAN SEATTLE.

LET'S PULL THAT ONE UP AGAIN OF THE 14-YEAR-OLD SCHOOLGIRL HOLDING THE BREAD THAT SHE AND HER MOTHER PREPARED, BECAUSE ANDREY, AS MARK NOTED, THIS RESONATED WITH YOU PERSONALLY.

WE'VE HEARD FOR SO LONG THOSE THAT KNOW THE REGION, I'M FROM THE FORMER SOVIET UNION, I'M FROM MOLDOVA, I KNOW THE FOOD THERE VERY WELL AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BREAD.

AND UKRAINE, BECAUSE OF THIS WAR, THE WHOLE WORLD HAS REALIZED THE SIGNIFICANCE THAT THE BREADBASKET OF THE WORLD.

THIS PICTURE SAYS SO MUCH.

>> YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS AGO, THERE WERE TWO EVENTS, TWO TRAGIC EVENTS ACTUALLY THAT ENGRAVED IN MY MEMORY NOW FOR ALL MY LIFE.

FIRST A BAKERY IN A NEARBY TOWN WAS HIT BY A MISSILE IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY WERE BAKING BREAD.

AND NINE BAKERS WERE KILLED.

AND THIS BREAD WAS MY FAVORITE BREAD FROM THE TOWN, WHICH WAS ON SALE IN THE PLACE IN THE VILLAGE WHERE I HAVE A SUMMER HOUSE.

AND I USED TO BUY.

SINCE THEN, THIS BREAD IS GONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF A NEW BAKERY WAS REVEALED ON THE PLACE OF THE OLD ONE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THIS BREAD ANYMORE.

AND EXACTLY ONE WEEK LATER, IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR FRESH BREAD DELIVERY IN FRONT OF THE BAKERY IN CHIRNOV WAS HIT AND WERE KILLED, SEVERAL PEOPLE WAITING TO HAVE WARM, FRESH BREAD.

THIS WAR, THIS AGGRESSION STARTED NOT ONLY AGAINST UKRAINIANS, IT WAS AGAINST THEIR HABITS, THEIR WAYS OF LIFE, THEIR VALUES.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, UKRAINE SURVIVED ARTIFICIAL FAMINE IN 1932-'33 ORGANIZED BY STALIN.

FOUR, FIVE MILLION PEOPLE DYING FROM HUNGER.

SO THE ATTITUDE TO BREAD IN UKRAINE HISTORICALLY IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE ATTITUDE TO BREAD IN RUSSIA OR IN FRANCE OR IN GERMANY.

SO THIS WAR IS ALSO AGAINST CULTURE OF SURVIVAL.

BECAUSE EVEN TODAY THIS IS NOW HARVESTING TIME.

I MEAN, THE FARMERS IN KHERSON REGION ARE HARVESTING WHEAT UNDER PERMANENT ATTACKS OF DRONES.

AND SO ACTUALLY, UKRAINIANS, WHEN THEY EAT BREAD, THEY UNDERSTAND THIS BREAD ACTUALLY HAS A TASTE OF BLOOD.

AND ACTUALLY, I REMEMBER HAVING A TASTE OF BLOOD WHEN I HEARD FIRST TIME THE NEWS ABOUT THE BAKERY IN MAKARIV, HIT BY A MISSILE.

>> THERE'S NO ONE WHO IS REALLY IMMUNE FROM THIS WAR FROM BAKERS TO SOLDIERS TO SADLY CHILDREN.

I WANT TO PULL UP A PHOTO THAT YOU LOOK, MARK, OUTSIDE A SCHOOL.

THIS IS A BURNT OUT SCHOOL WHERE YOU SEE CHILDREN STANDING THERE IN THE CHARRED OUT REMAINS.

ACCORDING TO THE U. N. HUMAN RIGHTS MONITORING MISSION IN UKRAINE, 17 CHILDREN WERE KILLED.

166 INJURED IN JULY ALONE.

WHAT DOES THIS IMAGE MEAN TO YOU?

AND WHO DO THESE CHILDREN REPRESENT?

>> WELL, THEY'RE SCHOOL CHILDREN WHO ATTENDED BOGDANIFA SCHOOL AND THIS IS THEIR BURNED OUT SCHOOL BUS.

AND IT'S CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE AND WERE DELIBERATELY TARGETED IN THIS CONFLICT.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENOCIDE ACTUALLY.

SO CLEARLY, THESE CHILDREN SURVIVED.

AND, YOU KNOW, I ASKED THEM TO SIT AND STAND AROUND THIS CHARRED SCHOOL BUS ALMOST LIKE GHOSTS, AS BLACK AND WHITE FIGURES WHO, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE DIED, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

BUT SADLY, SO MANY CHILDREN HAVE DIED.

AND I WISH THE WEST WOULD RECOGNIZE THIS CONFLICT FOR WHAT IT IS.

IT'S A GENOCIDE, PURE AND SIMPLE.

AS ANDREY WAS SAYING, THEY WANT TO ERASE UKRAINE'S CULTURE AND WHAT IT MEANS --EVERYTHING THAT IT MEANS TO THE UKRAINIAN.

I THINK AND I HOPE THROUGH THIS EXHIBITION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REALLY RAISE FUNDS FOR THOSE CHARITIES THAT ARE DOING SUCH IMPORTANT WORK, NOT JUST FOR POST CODE UKRAINE.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE CORE FUNDED AND WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE, I'M 99% OF THE TIME I LIVE IN KYIV, IT MEANS THAT ANY DONATIONS WE RECEIVE GO DIRECTLY ON AID OR DIRECTLY TO THE CHARITIES WE FUND.

NONE IT GOES ON OVERHEADS BECAUSE OUR OVERHEADS ARE PAID BY OUR BRILLIANT VISIONARY PATRON BILL.

SO THIS IS A WAY THAT PEOPLE IN AMERICA AND ALL OVER THE WORLD CAN DIRECTLY HELP AND THEY CAN DIRECTLY DONATE OR THEY CAN PURCHASE ONE OF MY PHOTOGRAPHS.

EITHER WAY, THE MONEY IS GOING DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE LIKE THE CHILDREN THAT YOU SEE IN THIS BURNT OUT BUS.

>> SEEING THESE CHILDREN BRINGS BACK IMAGES, THOSE HAUNGT IMAGES OF THE MARIUPOL DRAMA THEATER THAT WAS STRUCK I THINK IN THE OPENING WEEKS OF THIS LARGER SCALE WAR AND THERE WRITTEN FOR ANYONE TO SEE THE WORDS "CHILDREN" WRITTEN IN NONETHELESS DISCRIMINATE ATTACKS.

HERE WE SEE MORE OF YOUR IMAGES.

AND MARK, THIS WAS PERSONAL.

YOU'VE LOST FRIENDS AS WELL.

IF WE HAVE THE PHOTO OF SHURA, WHO IS WEARING ARMY FATIGUES, MILITARY FATIGUES I BELIEVE IN THE PICTURE, WE CAN PULL THAT UP.

THERE SHE IS.

TELL US BRIEFLY ABOUT SHURA.

>> SHE'S A FRIEND.

SHE USED TO BE A STYLIST.

SHE WAS VERY WELL-KNOWN IN UKRAINE AS A BRILLIANT FASHION STYLIST.

AND WHEN THE WAR BEGAN, SHE JOINED BACK IN 2014, SHE JOINED THE UKRAINIAN ARMY.

AND I PHOTOGRAPHED HER THREE OR FOUR TIMES DURING THE FULL-SCALE INVASION.

SO FROM 2022 TO 2024.

AND EACH TIME I PHOTOGRAPHED HER IN KYIV, SHE CAME BACK FROM THE FRONT LINE, AND I COULD SEE THAT SHE WAS DETERIORATING, BUT SHE WAS REALLY SUFFERING.

AND NEVERTHELESS, SHE SAID "I JUST WANT TO GO BACK.

I WANT TO GO BACK AND FIGHT WITH MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. "

AND IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE BLOW WHEN SHE DIED.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE LOST MANY FRIENDS, AS ANDREY HAS IN THIS CONFLICT.

IT'S CONTINUAL.

IT AFFECTS EVERYONE.

AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT.

>> IT IS CONTINUAL.

I AM CONFIDENT THAT YOUR --YOUR WORK HERE AND YOUR DEDICATION TO UKRAINE, UKRAINIANS IS VERY COMFORTING FOR ANDREY AND OTHER UKRAINIANS THERE.

MARK NEVILLE, THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU CONTINUE TO DO.

AND WE AS ALWAYS WILL CONTINUE TO BE COVERING THIS TRAGIC WAR.

> >> "POST CODE UKRAINE: DIARY OF A VOLUNTEER RUN RUNS AT THE EVENT MUSEUM IN LOS ANGELES.

> >> NOW TO AFGHANISTAN, WHERE EARLIER THIS MONTH THE TALIBAN MARKED FIVE YEARS SINCE REGAINING POWER.

IN THIS TIME, THE REPRESSIVE REGIME HAS INTRODUCED MORE THAN 100 DECREES STRIPPING AWAY RIGHTS FROM WOMEN AND GIRLS, BARRING THEM FROM EDUCATION, HEALTH SERVICES, AND WORK.

OUR NEXT GUEST NOSE FIRSTHAND THE IMPACT OF TALIBAN RULE.

LIKE MANY OTHERS IN 2021, MUSSA RAHEEM WAS FORCED TO FLEE HER COUNTRY FOR THE UNITED STATES AT JUST A MOMENT'S NOTICE.

RAHEEM'S STORY IS FOCUSED IN AN UPCOMING BOOK, "THE LAST FREE WOMEN," A DARING ESCAPE AND COMING OF AGE IN AMERICA.

SHE JOINS HARI SREENIVASAN TO DISCUSS WHY HER JOURNEY HAS INSPICED HER TO SPEAK OUT.

>> MURSAL RAHEEM, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

YOU WROTE AN ARTICLE.

IN IT YOU DESCRIBE A SCENE WHERE YOU'RE WALKING ACROSS THE STAGE TO GET YOUR DIPLOMA FROM CORNELL, AND YOU WRITE, "BUT AS I TEETERED ACROSS THE STAGE IN HIGH HEELS, THE SAD HOPELESS FACES OF MY GIRLFRIENDS WHO NEVER MADE IT OUT OF AFGHANISTAN FLASHD IN MY MIND.

THIS IS THE WHIPLASH I LIVE WITH NOW.

HIGHS OF FREEDOM AND NEWFOUND OPPORTUNITY PUNCTURED BY LOWS OF INTENSE GUILT. "

CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT WHIPLASH A LITTLE MORE FOR OUR AUDIENCE?

>> THIS FEELING IS NOT SOMETHING NEW I'M FEELING RECENTLY.

IT HAS BEEN WITH ME SINCE I LEFT AFGHANISTAN FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

AND IT GET MORSE WHEN I'M FEELING THE HIGHS OF MY LIFE.

FOR EXAMPLE, GRADUATION WAS THE BIGGEST MOMENT THAT I WAS EXPERIENCING AS SOMEONE WHO JUST CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AS A REFUGEE.

AND IT WAS ANY UNIVERSITY.

IT WAS AN IVY LEAGUE.

IT WAS A HUGE ACCOMPLISH FOR ME.

AND WHEN I WAS FEELING VERY HAPPY, VERY PROUD, AND I WAS LOOKING AT MY PARENTS' FACE AND ALL MY FRIENDS' FACE HOW THEY ARE HAPPY AND PROUD LOOKING AT ME, I FEELED AT THE MOMENT, I FEEL GUILTY AS WELL OF LIKE WHY THE SAME GIRLS AS ME WITH SAME AMBITION AND SAME HARD WORKING ARE NOT EXPERIENCING THIS BACK IN AFGHANISTAN.

BEING AT HOME LIKE THEIR EDUCATION HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY TALIBAN.

AND THE FACES OF MY FRIENDS THAT ARE BANDED FROM SCHOOL, BANDED FRONTAL BOUNDARY EDUCATION ALWAYS STAYS WITH ME WHEN I HAVE ANY ACHIEVEMENT, WHEN I HAVE ACHIEVED THE GOALS THAT I SET UP FOR MYSELF.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU DESCRIBE IN THE PIECE THAT YOU WROTE THAT AFGHAN WOMEN WERE, QUOTE, PERHAPS THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARIES OF THE U. S. INTERVENTION.

KIND OF DESCRIBE FOR ME, IF YOU CAN, WHAT LIFE BEFORE THE AMERICAN INTERVENTION AND REALLY AFTER THE AMERICAN DEPARTURE WAS LIKE.

>> SO I BORN IN 1996.

IT IS RIGHT WHEN THE TALIBAN TOOK OVER AFGHANISTAN FOR THE FIRST TIME.

SO WHEN I WAS UNTIL I WAS 5, THE TALIBAN WAS RULING THE COUNTRY.

AND WHEN THE TALIBAN RUNNING THE COUNTRY FOR THE FIVE YEARS, IT WAS THE SAME SITUATION.

WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL, NOT ALLOWED TO GET EDUCATION.

AND WHEN THE TALIBAN LEFT, I WAS VERY ELATED.

I WAS SEEING MY DAD'S FACE, HOW HAPPY HE IS TO GO AND TEACH BACK IN THE UNIVERSITY SINCE HE WAS UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR AND UNIVERSITY WERE BANDED FOR FIVE YEARS.

AND I SAW MY SISTER WHO IS OLDER THAN ME, SHE WAS ABLE TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL AFTER FIVE YEARS OF HOUSE.

AND WHEN I SAW MY SISTER GETTING READY FOR SCHOOL.

AND IN AFGHANISTAN, YOU HAVE TO BE 7 TO GO TO SCHOOL.

SO I WAS --I WAS JUST LIKE TELLING MY PARENTS, I ALSO WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL.

I WANT TO GO TO FIRST PERIOD, EXPERIENCE THE SCHOOL.

AND THEY WERE NOT TAKING ME BECAUSE I WAS VERY LITTLE FOR SCHOOL.

BUT NO, I HAVE THIS FREEDOM.

I WANT TO USE IT.

SO I WENT TO SCHOOL AFTER FIVE YEARS OF BEING BANNED FROM EDUCATION.

SO MY CLASSROOM ON THE SCHOOL WAS A PLACE THAT WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED BY TALIBAN.

THERE WERE NO WALL, NO CHAIR, AND NO BLACKBOARD, NOTHING.

AND IF YOU WERE LUCKY, WE COULD FIND A PIECE OF WOOD SO WE CAN SIT ON IT.

AND I HAD CLASSMATES THAT ARE WAY OLDER THAN ME BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO SCHOOL AFTER THE PAUSE OF FIVE YEAR.

EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO GET INTO SCHOOL.

EVERYONE WAS TRYING TO GET EDUCATION.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAD VERY LIMITED RESOURCES, I REMEMBER WHEN I GOT TO UPPER GRADES, WHEN I WAS IN 7 GRADE, MY SCHOOL GOT ATTACKED BY TALIBAN.

SO IT WASN'T THE PERFECT SITUATION THAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, BUT AT LEAST THERE WAS HOPE.

BUT AT LEAST THERE WERE AMBITION OF THE WOMEN AND THE WOMEN WHO ARE SEEING THAT THEY HAD FREEDOM AND THEY HAVE TO USE IT.

>> YOU KNOW, THE END OF AUGUST NOW WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS SINCE THE TALIBAN TOOK POWER AGAIN IN 2021.

AND I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK A BIT IF I CAN.

WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE DAY THAT YOU HAD TO FLEE?

>> SOMETIMES I SAY I REMEMBER THAT DAY, BUT I ALSO DON'T REMEMBER THAT DAY BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY -- EVERYTHING HAPPENED VERY SUDDEN, VERY SUDDEN.

IN A FEW HOURS.

I REMEMBER THAT NIGHT EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT.

I COULD SEE PEOPLE ON THE STREET GOING WORK.

LIKE A NORMAL DAY.

BUT WE KNEW THAT THE TALIBAN ARE ATTACKING OTHER CITIES AND THE SITUATION IS GETTING WORSE.

BUT DEEP DOWN, WE DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THE TALIBAN MIGHT TAKE OVER KABUL BECAUSE ALL THE RESOURCES WERE IN KABUL.

THE PRESIDENT WAS THERE.

ALL THE MILITARY WAS IN KABUL.

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE EVEN THIS TALK THAT THE TALIBAN MIGHT TAKE KABUL.

BEFORE THAT DAY, THE NIGHT, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IF THE TALIBAN TOOK OVER THE COUNTRY.

AND WE THOUGHT WE HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAPPENED IN 30 MINUTES THAT WE SEE THE CALL FROM MY BROTHER THAT WE HAVE TO LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.

THE TALIBAN ARE TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY -- KABUL.

DON'T TAKE ANYTHING WITH YOU, JUST A BACKPACK SO IT WILL BE EASY FOR YOU TO CARRY IT AND TAKE YOUR IMPORTANT DOCUMENT OR ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE WITH YOU.

SO I HAD TO --I DON'T KNOW HOW MY PARENTS EXACTLY FELT BECAUSE FOR THEM IT WAS 67 YEARS OF LIFE THAT THEY HAVE TO LEAVE BEHIND.

BUT FOR ME IT WAS MY SCHOOL DIPLOMA, MY FEW HEAD SCARF, AND THEN I HAD TO FIT IT IN THAT BACKPACK.

AND WE HAD TO LEAVE THE HOUSE AND GET TO AIRPORT.

WHEN WE GOT TO THE AIRPORT, WE SAW THE SITUATION WAS LIKE WAY WORSE THAN ANYONE COULD IMAGINE.

AND EVERYONE WAS RUSHING IN THE AIRPORT TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

IT WAS A LONG AND IT WAS A VERY TOUGH JOURNEY TO LEAVE AFGHANISTAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE --IT WAS UNIMAGINABLE SITUATION TO BE IN.

AND I NEVER THOUGHT IN AGES THAT I WOULD LEAVE MY COUNTRY LIKE THAT.

IN A FEW HOURS TO LEAVE EVERYTHING BEHIND.

AND I NEVER THOUGHT MY PARENTS WOULD DO THAT.

MY PARENTS LEFT THEIR SIBLINGS, THEIR FAMILY, ALL THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS.

IT WAS TOUGH MOMENT.

>> YOU DESCRIBE STANDING OUT THERE WAITING, YOU KNOW, WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR HOURS IN THE SUN.

AND WE SAW SOME OF THESE IMAGES, RIGHT.

PEOPLE TRYING TO GET ON THE OUTSIDE OF PLANES.

YOU GOT ON A PLANE, A MILITARY PLANE TWO DAYS AFTER THOSE SCENES THAT ARE SEARED INTO OUR MINDS.

WHAT WAS THAT FLIGHT LIKE?

>> SO ONCE YOU GET INTO THE AIRPORT, THEY WILL GIVE YOU A PAD THAT WILL SHOW YOU WHICH AIRPLANE AND WHICH COUNTRY THAT YOU ARE GOING.

SO THE MINUTE THAT I ENTERED THE PLANE, IT WAS A MILITARY PLANE WITHOUT ANY WINDOW, WITHOUT ANY SEAT.

AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WAS SEEING FOR THE FIRST TIME.

AND AFTER HAVING ALL THIS SITUATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH, AND WE JUST WANTED TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY.

SO WE HAD TO SIT ON THE MILITARY PLANE FLOOR, AND WE HAD TO HOLD EACH OTHER HAND.

I REMEMBER I WAS HOLDING MY BROTHER HAND IN ORDER TO NOT FALL BACK BECAUSE THERE IS NO SEAT, NO SAFETY TO HOLD YOU WHEN THE PLANE IS GETTING HIGH.

>> THE UNITED STATES AND THEIR ALLIES EVACUATED OFFICIALLY ABOUT 124,000 PEOPLE DURING THOSE LAST FEW WEEKS OF THE WAR.

BUT THERE WERE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD WORKED WITH DIFFERENT ALLIES, DIFFERENT U. S. AGENCIES THAT WERE LEFT BEHIND.

AND I WONDER DO YOU KNOW PEOPLE THAT WERE LEFT BEHIND?

WHAT IS THEIR LIFE LIKE NOW?

>> I DO ACTUALLY KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M WORKING NOW WITH REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS THAT LEFT AFGHANISTAN IN 2021.

AND AFTER THAT.

SO I WORK WITH THE FEW CLIENTS THAT THEY LEFT THEIR FAMILY BEHIND IN QATAR, IN UAE AND OTHER COUNTRY THAT THEY ARE WAITING TO ENTER THE UNITED STATES.

WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THEM IS THEY ARE LIVING IN UNCERTAINTY FOR FIVE YEARS.

RECENTLY, I TALKED WITH A CLIENT.

HE --SHE WAS TELLING ME SHE HAS A 5-YEAR-OLD SON, AND THE SON HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO SEE HIS FATHER FOR FIVE YEARS.

AND SOMETIMES WHEN HE SEE HIS PICTURE AND WHEN THEY DO A VIDEO CALL OR FACETIME, HE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE HIS FATHER.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, SHE DOESN'T HAVE GREENCARD TO EVEN TO TRAVEL.

SO IT HAS -- IT CAUSED A LOT OF FAMILY SEPARATION AND PAUSE TO THEIR LIFE FOR FIVE YEAR.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT AFGHANISTAN, WHERE IT IS TODAY VERSUS THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAD, AFGHANISTAN IS NOW THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE GIRLS ARE STOPPED FROM HAVING AN EDUCATION PAST THE SIXTH GRADE.

WOMEN ARE PROHIBITED FROM MOST TYPES OF WORK.

THEY FACE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHERE THEY CAN GO IN PUBLIC LIFE.

AND THEY ARE REQUIRED, OF COURSE, TO COVER THEMSELVES AT ALL TIMES IN PUBLIC.

WHEN YOUR FRIENDS TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS RADICAL CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENED, WHAT COMES UP FOR THEM?

>> I TALK LAST NIGHT WITH A FRIEND, HOW'S YOUR LIFE GOING?

AND SOMETIMES I DON'T WANT TO EVEN SHARE WITH THEM HOW IS MY LIFE GOING AND HOW I'M EXPERIENCING.

SO MY FRIENDS SAY THE WORLD ONLY SEE THAT EDUCATION IS BANNED FROM US, AND WE ARE BEING BANNED FROM PUBLIC HEIGHTS.

BUT MOST OF THE GIRLS THAT SHE KNOWS, THEY ARE EXPERIENCING DEPRESSION, ANXIETY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BE THEMSELVES.

AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO --TO WORK TOWARDS THEIR DREAM THAT THEY HAD FOR MANY YEARS.

AND THEY --SHE TOLD ME THAT WE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THE SAME SITUATION, BUT NOW YOU'RE THERE TO USE THAT EDUCATION THAT YOU GOT IN THE PAST 20 YEAR.

BUT HERE I AM SITTING AT HOME DOING NOTHING.

AND SOMETIMES SHE FEEL LIKE GIRLS ARE TRYING TO FIGHT HARD, TRYING TO NOT LOSE HOPE, BUT WHEN THEY SEE THE WORLD, HOW THEY IGNORED THEM AND HOW NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THEM ANYMORE, IT'S LIKE WE WERE THE HEADLINE FOR THE FIRST YEAR, FOR 2021.

ANY CHANNEL, IF YOU LOOK AT, THEY WERE AFGHANISTAN.

AFGHANISTAN WAS ON THE HEADLINE OF THE NEWS.

BUT LATER ON, THE MORE SITUATION GOT WORSE, INSTEAD OF BEING MORE UNDER HEADLINE, THEY KIND OF FORGOTTEN ABOUT US, AND THEY SAY EVEN IF WE SPEAK OUT, WE FEEL THAT OUR VOICE DOESN'T MATTER, AND NOBODY HERE.

IT'S LIKE WE ARE USING OUR VOICE, BUT IF NOBODY HEARS, IT'S USELESS.

>> ARE THERE WOMEN WHO ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO LEARN, TO ORGANIZE, TO FIGURE OUT?

I MEAN, OR IT IS JUST SO DIFFICULT THAT THEY DON'T BOTHER BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE?

>> ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT AFGHANISTAN WOMEN, THEY NEVER GIVE UP.

EVEN THOUGH THE SITUATION WILL GET VERY HARD, VERY TOUGH, THEY WILL TRY ANOTHER WAY.

THEY WILL STAND UP, THEY WILL TRY ANOTHER WAY.

I HAVE FRIENDS, THEY ARE TAKING ONLINE CLASSES.

THEY ARE LEARNING THROUGH YOUTUBE.

THEY'RE LEARNING THROUGH ANY TOOLS THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM.

I REMEMBER A FRIEND STARTED LEARNING TO ME, AND ANOTHER LEARNED PAINTING THROUGH YOUTUBE.

AND I HAVE FRIEND THAT ARE STUDYING ONLINE AND TAKING ONLINE CLASSES IN ONLINE SCHOOL THAT THEY PROVIDE THEM ONLINE EDUCATION.

SO THEY ARE USING RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR THEM.

BUT NOTHING REPLACE THE EDUCATION THAT YOU GET IN THE SCHOOL.

>> YOU WORK WITH AFGHAN REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS TO THE UNITED STATES HERE.

YOU'VE BEEN GRANTED ASYLUM.

YOU'RE WAITING FOR YOUR GREENCARD.

AND I WONDER, WHAT IS IT THAT AMERICANS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE DIFFICULTIES AND CHALLENGES FOR REFUGEES AFTER THEY ARRIVE HERE?

>> WHAT I HAVE BEEN FACING, AND I FACE ALSO AS IMMIGRANT AND AS A REFUGEE WHO LEFT AFGHANISTAN.

IN THE BEGINNING, THE COUNTRY WAS VERY WELCOME TO US.

WE WERE WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARM.

WE RECEIVE MANY KINDNESS FROM MANY PEOPLE.

BUT THE MORE THE YEARS IS PASSING BY THE POLICIES ARE GETTING VERY STRICTER AGAINST US.

OUR STATUS WOULD BE ON A PAUSE FOR A FEW YEARS.

AND EVEN IF THAT PAUSE IS HAPPENING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE POLICY SUDDENLY CHANGE, AND THEY MIGHT IF THEY WERE YOUR KIDS, THEY MIGHT SEND YOU BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.

YOU ARE PHYSICALLY SAFE IN A NEW COUNTRY THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE THAT COUNTRY FOREVER, AND WOULD BUILD A NEW LIFE FROM ZERO, BUT MENTALLY YOU KNOW THAT THE SITUATION MIGHT CHANGE ANY TIME, AND THEY MIGHT SEND YOU BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY, AND YOU MIGHT START AGAIN FROM ZERO.

SO IT'S UNCERTAINTY THAT MOST ARE LIVING WITH.

AS I SAY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR THE REST OF FAMILY, FOR THE REST OF THEIR FAMILY THAT LEFT BEHIND.

>> YOUR AGENCY IS CLOSING NOW.

HOW COME?

>> UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ONE THE OTHER THING THAT I SEE.

I REALLY WAS PASSION OF WORKING WITH REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS.

BECAUSE I CAME FROM THAT BACKGROUND, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THEM.

BUT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISMOTIVATING FOR ME TO SEE HOW THERE IS ZERO SUPPORT FOR US, FOR OUR AGENCY, FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO.

WHEN THEY TERMINATED US, IT HAPPENED SUDDENLY.

ALL OF THE SUDDEN FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.

AND WE WERE AT LEAST EXPECTING ONE MORE YEAR.

BUT THEN TOLD US WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FUNDING.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM.

AND I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT ABOUT THE CLIENT THAT I HAVE, LIKE HOW THEY MIGHT NAVIGATE CHALLENGES WITHOUT HAVING THE SUPPORT OR MENTOR.

>> SO, YOU KNOW, ON ONE HAND, YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE FREEDOM THAT THE UNITED STATES BROUGHT YOU IN AFGHANISTAN.

YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING IN THE UNITED STATES, AND ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU SEE SO MANY OF YOUR PEERS THAT MIGHT HAVE WORKED WITH THE UNITED STATES, MIGHT HAVE LAW DEGREES NOW, WHO ARE STILL STUCK IN AFGHANISTAN.

AND YOU SEE A COUNTRY HERE THAT SEEMS LESS WELCOMING, TO PUT IT POLITELY, OF YOU HERE NOW.

SO HOW DO YOU KIND OF HOLD THOSE TWO FEELINGS AND IDEAS AT THE SAME TIME?

>> SOMETIMES AS A WOMAN, WHEN I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY, I THOUGHT OKAY, HERE I AM.

I HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITIES.

I HAVE THIS FREEDOM.

I HAVE TO USE IT.

I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT.

AND --AND MY JOURNEY WILL INSPIRE --MAYBE INSPIRE SOMEONE ELSE.

MAYBE INSPIRE ANOTHER AFGHAN WOMAN.

BUT I FEEL IF I HAVE THIS FREEDOM AND IF I CAN MAKE THE MOST OF IT, I CAN REPRESENT AN AFGHAN WOMAN.

I CAN PRESENT THE WOMEN'S WHO ARE LEFT BEHIND IN AFGHANISTAN AND I CAN SHOW THEM WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER WOMEN THAT YOU SEE IN THE WORLD.

OKAY, THE WORLD IS TREATING US DIFFERENTLY.

WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY RIGHT NOW TO BE BANNED FROM EDUCATION.

BUT IF WE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY, IF WE'RE GIVEN A CHANCE WE CAN DO GREAT.

WE COULD ACHIEVE.

WE COULD BE SAME AMBITIONS LIKE OTHER WOMEN AROUND THE WORLD.

THAT WAS MY MOTIVATION, TO BRING WOMEN WHERE I AM.

>> I WANT TO ASK, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF LIVING A QUIETER LIFE?

AND BY THAT, I MEAN, LOOK, YOU WROTE AN OP-ED IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES. "

YOU'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ON AN INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM.

ARE YOU EVER CONCERNED THAT BECOMING THIS VOICE PUTS A BIGGER TARGET ON YOUR BACK?

>> I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM SOMEONE EVEN WHEN I CAME THOUGH THIS COUNTRY, I ALWAYS COMPARE.

I ALWAYS SAY WHAT IF.

AND I ALWAYS SAY WHY I HAVE THIS, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN AFGHANISTAN.

AND I AM FEELING THAT WAY.

IF I HAD CHOOSEN THE QUIETER LIFE, I MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT OKAY, HAVE I THE FREEDOM.

I COULD SPEAK UP ABOUT WOMEN IN AFGHANISTAN.

I COULD HAVE AT LEAST SHOWED THE WORLD THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AFGHANISTAN, BUT I CHOOSE TO NOT DO IT.

AND I CHOOSE TO IGNORE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND IT WOULD NOT LEAD ME TO LIVE IN A QUIET LIFE MENTALLY.

MAYBE I WOULD BE QUIETER IN THE APPEARANCE, BUT IN MY MIND, I WOULD NOT BE QUIET.

>> AND I ALSO WONDER, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH ME, WHEN YOU HAVE YOURSELF OUT THERE LIKE THIS, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MIGHT RETALIATE AGAINST YOU?

>> OF COURSE I AM.

YEAH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO --THIS FEAR TO HOLD ME BACK OF SPEAKING UP ABOUT AFGHANISTAN AND THE WOMEN.

BECAUSE THIS IS MY IDENTITY.

THIS IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM, AND I HAVE OBLIGATION FOR THEM, FOR THE YEARS THAT I LIVED AND GREW UP THERE.

>> MURSAL RAHIM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

> >> AND FINALLY, FOR US, TRIBUTES FOR THE LATE, GREAT DOLLY PARTON DIDN'T STOP OVER THE WEEKEND.

COUNTRY MUSICIANS, INCLUDING DOLLY'S OWN NIECE, JADA STARR TOOK TO THE STAGE IN NASHVILLE, PERFORMING SOME OF OUR GREATEST HITS IN TRIBUTE TO THE ICON.

THE DEDICATION DIDN'T STOP THERE EITHER.

OLIVIA RODRIGO'S DAISY CHAIN MUSICAL FESTIVAL.

SHE TOOK TO THE STAGE WITH SARAH McLACHLAN PERFORMING McLAUGHLIN'S HIT ANGEL AS AN ODE TO DOLLY.

DAISY CHAIN FIELDS WAS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN THE MUSIC.

THE FESTIVAL RAISED MONEY AND AWARENESS FOR A NUMBER OF NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TO SUPPORT WOMEN AND GIRLS' ISSUES ACROSS THE U. S. RODRIGO VOWED TO DONATE ALL NET PROCEEDS BY THOSE CHOSEN CHARITIES.

BY THE END OF THE DAY, THE EVENT HAD RAISED A WHOPPING $20 MILLION.

THE POWER OF DOLLY PARTON.

> >> AND THAT'S IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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